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I'm Clinton Girkin, the archivist, and we have a very special guest here. James McCullough, can you introduce yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=0.0,10.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: I'm James McCullough. retired employee of OSUIT, 35 years of service here. So I don't know how much more you need from that or not, or we can talk about what I did or whatever here when you wanna ask the questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=10.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay, first question, what were your positions prior to joining OSUIT?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=28.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: I actually worked with one of the other graduates. We actually had a partnership and I was part owner with design and sign shop that was called Art Vark Graphic and that name has actually been resurfaced because my partner he has actually restarted that bit so that's whole nother whole nother song but from there I went And I was the lead illustrator and designer for the United States JCs, which is the Junior Chamber of Commerce at their national headquarters in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And when I left there, I went out on my own as a freelance designer and illustrator with McCullough design and illustration. And I still run that to a certain extent today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=33.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay. Next question. How did these previous positions influence your time working at OSUIT?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=80.0,86.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: Well, it really had everything. to do with it as far as an influence because, you know, the whole reason I came here was and that's that maybe is what I need to say. I mean, I spent two years here as a student. I actually graduated from here. So when I came back here to work, I came back because I thought I could offer something from my experience having been out in the industry. And so these particular positions that I held had allowed me to do a lot of different things, to see and be a part of a lot of different aspects of the industry, to have really kind of honed my skill and be able to then come in and offer that to students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=86.0,136.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Next question, what led you to OSUIT?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=136.0,140.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: Good question. But here's my question for you as a student or as a faculty. Because as a student, coming here, what drew me here was the fact that they had what I wanted. They had the course of study that I wanted to study. And the best part about it, I could finish it in two years with not a lot of debt. And it was focused on my career choice. I didn't have to do a lot of other things that I was not really excited about doing at that time. And so as a student, this was the perfect fit for me. And I actually had scholarship and even a free ride to two other universities and I chose not to go to them. I came here. So it was, I think to my mother's chagrin, she wasn't excited about it, but then she actually came over here to school and graduated. went into a different career direction too. So as a faculty, the reason I ended up here and the reason I kind of came to OSUIT was I was asked. I was asked to fill in for the then division chair, dean, whatever you want to refer to us as. He had just recently been hired into that position. So they needed somebody quick to be able to fill an adjunct type position for at the time for two months while they were doing a job search for somebody to fill in full time. I adjunct for four months the whole semester and was offered the job and I took it. So that's kind of what led me here. But then I also need to add this, you know, I felt not only that I could bring something, I had something to offer. I had the experience, I had a wherewithal, I had connections that I could bring to the student and bring to the division as far as the what we did as far as the program. I also was completely supportive of what we were doing, how we did it, the way that we did it. So I thought the I had friends that had gone to other design programs at other universities, other places, and they just didn't get what we were getting here. And so I felt completely comfortable with the idea of being able to easily slide into that position. Did I have a teaching background? Was teaching something that I had wanted to do all my life? Nope. It wasn't. As a matter of fact, that was a question that one of the faculty asked me straight up. was that a passion of mine was to teach. It wasn’t at that time. I had never even thought about it. That was not my goal as far as my career choice. So to do that was completely different. But what I found out real quickly was it's helped from the other faculty, but also from the division chair, and then just knowing what I had been through with the program, I felt that I could add a lot to it. And I could add some, you know. bring my experiences, my understanding, and what we were doing right then to the table, to the students, and that would be to their benefit. And so I took the position at that point in time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=140.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay. Next question. Can you please describe what your position was here and what it entailed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=337.0,342.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: Initially as a faculty member, and that was originally what I thought I was going to do, and that was going to be... basically last about five years and then I was going to leave and go back into industry. That was that was the plan. That was the game plan. And what I did was what basically every faculty at least that I know of and especially in the different trade areas did. You wrote curriculum, you basically you know taught that curriculum, you tested it as far as how it best worked and what worked and what didn't. You were part of the marketing of your program, you were a recruiter for the program, you basically did anything that anybody asked that needed to have something framed or had some poster made or a birthday card or whatever, you did those type of things because we were in the creative area and that's what they wanted from us. We did a little bit of all of those things. And that's what I did because I had run a sign shop and I had worked for an outdoor company and I had worked for a major organization that each of the different people that I worked for within that organization, we did promotional stuff for each of their programs. And so I had an experience in doing that. So that's what we did. And that's what as faculty, that's what we were asked to do. We served on committees, we served on, you know, it was a little bit of everything to be able to promote, not just the visual communications department at OSUIT, but it was also to promote OSUIT. At that time, OSU Tech, OSU Okmulgee, OSU Okmulgee Technical Branch. I mean, how many re-iterations do you want to go through over 35 years? But for 26 years, I was a classroom instructor. We did field trips. We did, I basically started the first year after I came here. We went on our first major summer field trip and took them to Kansas City. And then from then we were off and running and we went to Dallas and we went to Chicago and we went to Indianapolis and we went to Denver and we went to Austin and we went to San Antonio and we went to Nashville and I mean, and St. Louis. And I mean, every year we went someplace different. The reason was to expose the students to things that they hadn't seen before, or to basically help them understand why we taught what we were teaching. So they had an opportunity to see how they would literally fit into this industry. I also was a sponsor of the club for pretty much the time that I started here until I left. I was a sponsor for the Visual Communications Collective, is what it is, what it finished out as. I don't know if it's even in existence anymore, but is it still? Good, but did it for 35 years. Then I was, even as I became in 2000, I became, I moved from being a classroom instructor to being the division chair, dean, however you want to classify us. I became over division communications department. And even in that capacity, I also... continued to be the sponsor of the club. I thought that was important to still be have that connection with the student and so I continued in that role as the co-sponsor. From that standpoint it just became I was kind of taken out of the classroom in all aspects except for internship. I still ran the internship program for most of the time that I was a division chair. And that was a huge deal because we sent interns all over the United States as well as internationally. And so it was something that I took as a big part of what, you know, I wanted to do and continue to be a part of to still, you know, be able to get the students out there and be able to get them in places where they could see how they could actually apply the things that they'd learned. And then beyond that, as far as now, I became an administrator, which was never really planning on being. But I got to do that and that became a whole other job description right there real quickly. But it had all of the same kind of things from the standpoint of recruiting and you know working with and being there for students and being there with now other faculty and other divisions on campus and other stakeholders to work with them, be it whatever program that we had that we worked with. But it also meant going out and trying to find funding, trying to find additional students as far as beyond just your basic recruiting, you are constantly trying to figure out what What's the next thing that's on the horizon? What's, where do we go from here? How do we continue a program? Those types of things. So it, it became a whole ‘nother part of what I was doing. I mean, it just, it just expanded it to that much. The thing I missed probably the most of any of it was being in the classroom. But on the other hand, I enjoyed up to a point the work that I was doing to try to help promote and, uh, and increase the awareness of our program. Does that answer your question pretty well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=342.0,681.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Oh, that was thorough. Yeah, that was very interesting. You gave us a lot. So our next question is, how did you feel about the State of Visual Communications program when you started working here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=681.0,696.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: You know, something that I figured out real quickly as a student, but then coming back as a faculty, was that we were on the cusp of everything changing. And I mean, We see it all the time now. We think that everything's just, but we saw huge changes right then. When I came as a student, when I came first as a faculty, we did everything by hand. Everything was either drawn, created basically on a drawing board. You did all the paste-ups for, be it a magazine or an ad or whatever you were working on. You did that. You literally had to have a typeset and you had the... paste it down and you did it in galley sheets and galley forms and you did all this manual work and you needed to know then how that went from there. I mean you needed to know and understand not only were you doing this for something that you know you were working on but you needed to understand the process of where it went from there. So you needed to know production and you needed to know production processes and you needed to know how to do that. So it was extremely involved. You had lots of extra people that you handed stuff off to. So no computer. Photography was just an added bonus, but you had to know how to work with it. You had to know how to, you didn't have Photoshop to be able to go in and alter or delete or add to photographs or whatever that you were dealing with. You had to learn how to do that by either airbrushing and or using a really become very skilled at using brushes and be able to go in and fix photography or enhance it as you needed to. And so you had to know all that by hand. So as a student but then also as a as a faculty person you came in and everything that you did was by hand. I mean typesetting. We take type when we put something on a piece of paper we think of it you know you either did it with a typewriter or you did it by hand or you had it sent out and had typed. It wasn't like you had a personal computer. Oh but wait 1984 what happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=696.0,836.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=836.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: Yeah the Macintosh. Oh you know the Macintosh came out and that changed everything. everything got changed in 1984. Personal computers became a thing. You had something literally on your desk that you could start doing. So we were on, I mean, we were one of the first colleges around here that actually had a lab that actually had computers in it that we were actually creating something that you could use. But that lasted a nanosecond because then everybody was starting to use it. And everybody started doing it. And then you started having everybody was going to be a graphic designer because they had a computer in front of them. And then you went, no, you don't understand the principles of design. You don't necessarily understand how things work and look and how they fit together. And you needed to learn that so that you could then now learn how to use that computer effectively. And so just this whole thing that we've been doing up to that point, all got changed and all went out the window to a certain extent. I mean, you know, we used to do all this stuff on light tables and big drafting boards and everything. And all of a sudden now, you know, we were doing it in front of a screen and it was just like, oh my gosh, you know, this is, this is certainly career changing, but it is literally altering the way that we think about how we approach things, how we do things. And so, you know, but the program, you know, did, it evolved with it. It was, it did the things that it needed to do. It brought computers and we've, you know, we've changed classrooms from being, uh, you know, tabletop heavy, you know, as far as what we were doing on, uh, on a drafting board in essence to now we were doing things on a personal computer. And so, you know, that changed and we were off to the races. I mean, this, our programs, this school was doing a lot of things that nobody, I mean, we had full labs that we were teaching software in and most universities and colleges were basically going we've got a lab over here and you get to go learn it on your own and we weren't doing that we were teaching people actually how to use and manipulate the program which then put us in a wonderful position employment wise because we were way ahead of the curve for everybody else and we were teaching our graduates were teaching places they were going to work how to use their computer Imean that was career changing at that time. That was a big deal. But as far as this program, it was doing those things. It was looking at that. We used our advisory boards. Oh my gosh, those are advisory boards were critical to what we, because they were coming in and they were saying, you know, printing is not going away, but it's changing. And at that time, when I started working here, printing was over half of the, you know, half of the the student body. Okay? When I came as a student, in one part of the building there were 16 machines called line of typotype machines. If you've never seen one, it's a big machine. It basically has a live lead well next to it. Okay? Molten lead. And it basically you type on what was basically a glorified typewriter. And it would type you out with using that liquid lead. It would basically push it up here and then you typed it. and it gave you a line of type in lead that you then put into a deal for a block that would go in and go on a press. That's how they did newspapers, they had magazines, everything. But that linotype machine was a clanking, I mean, because every time you packed a letter, it clanked. So think about somebody who could type 60 words a minute and you're click, click. And now add 16 of those machines all going on at one time. You didn't have earplugs, it was maddening. There were 16 of those machines over in that building. The personal computer, or the computers came in. You know how many were left a year after that? Zero, not a one. Other than one, we kept around for a while because we thought we might make it a museum piece. But it was, there was no need for them anymore. All of a sudden we had a computer that did. And so off it went, all that stuff went. We had guys that we had two faculty that were in that area at that time that they, they service with the different surrounding newspapers and things like that. They service 300 of those linotype machine. A year after we got the computers, they basically had 20. They quit servicing because it wasn't worth it to them anymore. That, that's what I'm saying. I mean, everything changed. We changed completely in that build. You know, suddenly all the press work, all the pre-press work, all of that kind of stuff started rapidly changing. And so it shifted from a very heavy production area to a very heavily focused creative area. And so the population changed, the tactics of what we were doing changed, what we were teaching changed, everything had to change. And then you go, you take that into consideration too. We went from when I started here, both as a student, as a faculty, we had four-hour shops five days a week, okay? You came in, you were here at, usually you had to be in class by seven thirty. That's hard to believe. You had to be in class at seven thirty. Your four-hour shop would be until eleven thirty. You took the hour lunch and then you came back and you had an afternoon class that usually lasted one or two hours and then you took your general education. So every day or you flip flopped it. You had your gen eds in the morning, you had an afternoon. So you went from one until five and you were in an afternoon shop. And if you were lucky, you got all your gen eds done, you were in a four hour shop in the morning and a four hour shop in the afternoon. It was like a day job. And that was the one thing that we thought was really important for our students to understand. This is a day job. You're expected to be here eight hours a day. That's what we're going to get from you. So that's what we did. When that changed and campus wide, it changed. We went to two days a week or three days a week for classes. And they went to basically most of them went from either an hour and a half or two hours and it changed our scheduling. It changed what you taught. It changed how you taught it completely. And so we went, we, all of that changed, but we did it. We did it because we had to adapt to what was happening right then. You know, big changes, constant changes. That's how the program worked. And that's how we tried to make it work. I should say one other thing. One of the things about this program, I think about a lot of the programs. And if you especially look at the guys, be it in Culinary or Diesel or the Heavy Equipment, the highline guys, Nursing. The one thing that didn't change with all of this was the fact of community. And you had interaction with your classmates from day one until you graduated. And you had that interaction. And you worked with them. And you worked against them sometimes. and you work and learn to deal with them and figure out who was a resource and who wasn't and who actually gave you a straight answer and who you know I mean but you actually had that interaction of students and I got to tell you I know I know things have evolved and things continue to evolve but that's the one thing I and I'll disclaimer you know I disagree with online classes because you don't have that you don't have that community and not to the extent that you do, I mean, that's not to say you don't make connections with people, but you don't make the lifelong connections with people. And that's one of the other values about, you know, being here. I think people made lifelong connections with people here while they were here, because you were spending, what other colleges and universities where you spend an eight hours a day with the same people, just like you would at work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=837.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay. Time to go to the next question. Can you tell us a little about the now-defunct photography and multimedia programs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=1357.0,1368.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: Sure. I'll talk about the Multimedia one first. Multimedia was an idea, and I thought, we all thought at the time that we were trying to kind of put it together, that it was going to fill a niche that needed to be filled. And that was the idea of it and you start thinking about it and you start thinking about, you know, it tried to cover a lot of bases. And it was, I think it was honestly, it was probably, uh, good in theory, but it was probably more ambitious as a thought process than it really was. A functioning, uh, outcome. And that's not to say that people didn't come out. with a multimedia degree and didn't go and get jobs. But they quickly found that they had to do some other things along with that to be able to stay employed. The reason I say that Multimedia included web design, web coding, motion graphics, video, and 3D graphics. And what you were gonna get in that program was you were gonna get a core overview kind of thing that was the first couple of semesters. And then you kind of chose which direction you thought you wanted to go. And so you might say, well, I want to do more web development. What are you going to have to do? If you want to do web development, you're going to have to do some coding, but you're also going to have to understand how a web page and how people are going to use it and how they're going to access it and how it wants, is it going to work on multiple platforms and things like that. So you're going to have to do a lot of things. that direction. Okay, well what if I want to do 3D? Well what 3D area do you want to go into? Do you want to go into, you know, games? Well games has a limited, at the time, had a limited direction that you were going to be able to get into. What about visualization? What about other types of usage of 3D and 3D graphics? Video. At the time video was just an extension of some photography. It wasn't seen as a complete separate type thing unless you were going to go into TV. Now that didn't mean that you couldn't do that, but you had to also have that TV experience along with video to be able to be able to do much with it. So what, and same thing with motion graphics. You could learn motion graphics using After Effects and things like that, and you can start working in that, but what were you gonna do with it and how far were you gonna be able to take it? And we figured out that after, you know, in two years, you kind of became this, you know, you knew just enough to get yourself in trouble, basically. And if you didn't know, if you didn't do it on your own, to a certain extent, and really delve into a deeper even than what we could do in class, then you were going to come out of here with, you've got enough to get started, but you better be ready to be doing a whole lot more once you get hired because they're going to expect a lot more from you simply because just think about all the different platforms now and different types of coding you know that you can actually use and actually were being developed at the time and were actually coming out. So media also started finding themselves the graduates started finding themselves running into this robot. I need you to be able to web, do a webpage, but I only got so much that I need you to do on that webpage. What I really need you to do is also design this and put this together and do these things. So what I really want is a graphic design person who can do web and oh, by the way, do coding and maybe a little video. Okay, so over here, I want somebody who can do motion graphics, but I need it to really look cool because if it looks static and it doesn't really move like we want it to, so what can we do about the design? So, What we started seeing is nobody was getting enough in two years to continue to do it unless they did something else with it. I mean, they had to learn other skills with it. And so it became both with our advisor as well as the faculty and as well as feedback from our students, we kind of went, you know, we maybe aren't helping ourselves here. Maybe we need to look at Graphic Design needs to basically start teaching video as a component as well as motion graphics. And if you want to delve into web, maybe we just need to be doing web design and coding. And maybe what we need to do is share some time with the people in IT who are teaching coding, but they were horrible at design. So what we did is we shared some of the students, basically. What they did is they took that core over here in multimedia, and then they spent three semesters doing coding, hardcore coding, in IT. And if they had a student that wanted to do more design, well, we kind of worked with them and gave them elevated design classes. It became one of those things that, like I said, it was a great idea in theory, but unless we had an extra year or more... It was never really going to get and I will say we had several students that stayed an extra year and they got extra classes and they did extra things and they are been very successful in their careers now because they did that. But they had to kind of back up and capture more things to be able to be that and we didn't see being self-sufficient. They couldn't stay. So we chose to break it out and put more of it into the graphic design area, as well as then we broke out 3D, which seemed to be on the cusp of being a lot of what's gonna be people were looking at, i.e. now that we could pushing that, now that's where AI has all come from. So we started pushing 3D to be a whole lot more of a standalone directed area of study. And still, We couldn't even cover all the bases there because there's so many different facets of it, but we thought that was a better choice and so did our advisor. So we kind of disbanded the multimedia for lack of a better word and kind of siphoned it into those other two areas, either 3D and or graphic design. Photography is a whole different deal. Not to get into the weeds too much, but photography just like graphic design was evolving and it was changing. and it was changing what it did. Still photography was a big component of it still, but there was all kinds of still photography. You could go into journalism, you could go into portrait photography, you could go into wedding photography, you could go into a variety of areas of photography that mainly were still photography. We also started going much more because we... kind of did away with some of the video, we went into the video and started, I mean over a third at the time was video, videography and getting into that. And then before they actually closed down the program, we had also been moving into doing the drones and things like that and thinking, that's gonna be another area of photography that people are gonna have to have experience in. They're going to have to actually know what they need to do in it. There's lots of rules and regulations that you have to meet. So we were moving that direction so that in essence, you were doing about half of the curriculum was built around still photography and the production of it. And that included learning how to use Photoshop and using Lightroom and using different programs that were going to enhance and change and literally put the you know, that photography into a whole different realm. You also, you know, it became, you know, understanding lighting and for a long time, you even had to understand how to do a lot of dark room work because you were doing, you know, black and white photography, you were doing color photography, and you had to actually be able to develop that yourself and do all that. When these came into play, when your laptops came into play and all, and you could literally go to digital photography. You didn't have to use film anymore. That changed that industry. So we went right along with it. We moved from, we got rid of all of our lab stuff. We built labs that you had 14 stations for black and white photography, 14 stations for color photography. And then, you know, the development of all that stuff, that all went away because you can now use your laptop. You could actually plug it in at the time. You could plug it right into the back of your... camera and as soon as you were taking a photo here it's instantaneously was on your computer and you could be looking at it and seeing what you wanted or what you didn't want and you weren't shooting although you could shoot a hundred photographs you didn't waste film because you were just using digital so in some ways you went from a ultra expensive course of study which it was I mean you have the processing equipment you have all those light stands as far as you all have, you have 14 of both. You have all these different things, plus you have all the lighting and the backdrops and the Cyc wall and everything that you've gotta have for to have a competent photography program. And then of course you've gotta have all of the stuff that you, I mean, ‘cause you know, taking the same photograph day in, day out gets really boring. So you gotta have, you know, and be able to have the creativity in this to be able to come up with. you know, how am I going to shoot a car in the studio? How do I do that? You do it and you figure it out. You bring in the, you know, fog machines and you bring in, you know, extra lighting and you bring in the soft lights that you have to have for that. And you do all of these things and that becomes expensive. You start getting into the drones. Yes, you can buy cheap ones. You can buy small ones, but they don't really, they're not professional quality. And again, we've got an advisory committee that's saying, if you do this, you got to do this. And you got to spend this to be able to teach students to be able to do this for them to be able to be employable. It was an expensive program. Now I digress because we went through kind of a rough patch, I guess, here at OSUIT as well as all across higher education. And we were constantly told to do more with less. And the bean counters at that point went they held up their iPhone and they said why do we need all of this equipment? Why do we need... I can take a picture on this iPhone. I can shoot a video on this iPhone. Why do I need all of this equipment? Why do I need to train somebody to do that? Can't I just show them how to do this on my iPhone? I can go take a picture on my iPhone and my response was well I can go take a... Kodak Instamatic camera and take a picture too, but I'm not gonna say it's professional quality. And I don't know how to do the setup and I certainly wouldn't know how to adjust or do any lighting for it. But yes, you can do a lot of things on your iPhone and you can actually do a pretty good picture if you know what you're doing. But that's not professional photography. But when it came down to it, people thought that we were wasting a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of effort to have a program that didn't have employment numbers at the end. Let me clarify that. A lot of our students came through the program with no other intent than to go be a photographer. Okay? And when I say that, that would be a photographer in any fashion. They might want to be a wedding photographer. Well, they may not go to work for somebody else. They're going to start and hang their own shingle and be a wedding photographer or a portrait photographer. Some may go to work for the newspaper. They're probably going to have to go to a larger newspaper in a larger city because they're the only ones that are going to have hired photographers to do that. Most, unfortunately, the reporters, they become the photographers at most small town newspapers. So there wasn’t employment at that end, but there was still that chance of employment. But for a lot of them, they didn't care. They wanted to be photographers and go do it in whatever way that they wanted to or could. And the people in charge at that particular time did not get that. They didn't understand it. And they didn't see dollar signs. The only dollar signs they saw was money going out, not money coming. And unfortunately, that's what happened to the program. The photography program was completely... Completely the semester they made the decision to do away with it. We already had a full compliment 21 students that already signed up for the course for coming in as brand new students. We already had 21 students. We could take up the 30 but we already had 21 and that was before the end of the high school year had already signed up. So we were ready to start. We were probably easily had 35 students in that cohort coming in when they canceled the program. And so those people all had to go find someplace else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=1368.0,2167.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay, next question. Can you tell us about any of the alumni artists who have held exhibits here? How did these alumni artists feel about their experiences at OSUIT and what types of jobs have our alumni gotten in the art field?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=2167.0,2183.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: Okay, well we'll take one at a time. You know, I don't know and if you, I don't know who's going to use this, how it's going to be used, but if you have the opportunity to go to the Student Union in here on campus, there are examples of student graduates’ work all through the Student Union. And I will give James Byrd props for recognizing that and investing in that artwork because he did. He invested in it for this community, for this not only just OSUIT, but for this community of Okmulgee. There are people that have had national shows as well as local shows, as well as have sold their work all over that have representation over in the Student Union. But the alumni artists have had exhibits here when the Conoco Gallery, and or Phillips Conoco I don't know what it is I know they're even calling it anything I don't think they have anything in it right now but the shows that were in there with not about half of the time while I was here anyway we had student work in there the other half was uh people that we invited as far as in most cases alumni and we're talking about exceptional uh work from a variety of students and a variety of graduates. And they, I just, it was funny, I was talking with John Hammer, who's got several pieces over there, and I was watching OETA the other night, and of course they're talking about Will Rogers, and they show the Will Rogers Memorial out there, and he's got a painting that he did of Will Rogers that's about, oh, about five feet tall, or whatever, about three feet wide, but he's got it hanging in their front entrance of the Will Rogers Memorial. And you go... Yeah, there's a graduate from here. That's the type of thing. I mean, it's insane the amount of talent and the number of students that they came to OSUIT, most of them because they wanted to find a way to use, much like me, use their talent, use their artistic ability. How could I put that into a job that I could actually get paid for? because my mom and my dad have told me for years, you're never gonna make it as an artist. You're gonna be a starving artist. So what could I do to use that skill and not starve, okay? Well, we taught them how to do that. We taught them how to be graphic designers. And for a lot of them, they were graphic designers by day and fine artists by night. And that's how they have spent their career. And they have done exceptionally well, and it's so... their ability and their talents to, you know, just a extremely high degree. To the point that where they went to work, that was as important as, you know, the things they were creating as what they were doing as far as their job, as far as putting things together in a pleasing manner for other people to consume. So, you know. I didn't try to, I knew you guys were going to ask me these questions and I didn't try to because it's too long. The list is too long. We have, we had at one point over in the building we had over you know 300 different little placards of each of where our students were graduates that they, where they were working, what they were doing and that type of thing was scattered all across the building. And that was the tip of the iceberg. You know, the variety of work that these people have, you know, be it doing illustration or painting or, you know, quite frankly, a lot of our alumni have gotten into doing pottery and other types of, you know, wood carving, wood working. Some of it, you know, just to, just again, a high level of degree. They've done all kinds of work. and to try to say that there was one or any one thing that, you know, it's just not, it's not built. As far as where they went to work, you know, the types of field that they, that they were able to go into is just as long a list. I mean, they were graphic designers first and foremost, but they worked all over. I mean, we're talking about working for major oil companies, major aeronautic companies, major corporations. major advertising agencies and being at the top of the heap. I mean, we've got people who own their own agencies in Dallas, in St. Louis, in California, you know, out in Los Angeles. They own their own agency. They own their own. We've got, you know, we had one of our graduates came and was one of the commencement speakers. Okay? Part of the reason we asked her to come as a commencement speaker was... She had just done all of the work for the Academy Awards. All of the booklets, all of the printed materials, all of the things you saw for the Academy Awards. She had been the art director for all of that stuff. She worked for MGM. She worked and was one of the part of the team that we take something for granted with DVDs right now, where the entrance on the DVD where it comes on and it tells you the different menus you can select or on a Blu-ray or whatever. She was in the development team with MGM and Sony to do that. She helped create that. But she was a graphic design student here from Van Buren, Arkansas. That's where she came from. That's where she grew up. Another one comes from, you know, he came from down around Durant and all. He owns an agency now in Dallas that is one of the top agencies in the Dallas Metroplex. He too has been a speaker at one of the graduations. I mean, the variety of things that these people have done. I mean, like I said, be it owning their own businesses, owning their own companies, working for some of the biggest ones, Saatchi \u0026 Saatchi is a quick example. They're an international advertising agency. Two of their creative directors are graduates from here. I mean. We're not talking that these people did small town stuff. We're talking about people that are working for corporations like, you know, Perina, Lever Brothers, you know, different corporations, be it, like I said, Phillips Petroleum, you know, a lot of the ones that a lot of our other graduates go to work in, in other areas, our graduates work for them in their promotions and their graphics area. And they've done that for years. I mean, It's, I think I gave, I think Robbie Vanhoezer asked me one time, she goes, how many people can you put down and play? And I think I gave her, she never won. I think I gave her about 500 different people and names and places where they were working and what they were doing and where the type of work. And it's just crazy. Some people have moved on from graphic design and don't do that anymore. They've moved into being marketing managers and being representatives for their companies and all but they started their careers as a graphic designer. That's where they got their foot in the door. So if you know and full disclosure I've also got people because they came here and they enjoyed their experience which is one of the questions you asked about as far as what they thought about it. They enjoyed the experience so much that they're now teaching graphic design to other people with the same theory and the same ideas that we instilled in them. And they've gone to do it in public schools, they've gone to do it in Vo-Techs, they've gone to do it in tech centers, whatever you want to call them, and they've gone on to other colleges and universities, and even to the being the deans of those universities. So it's not been one area or one kind of thing that these folks have gone into. And when you start talking about, you add in the 3D and you add in the photography and you add in printing, which used to be huge, like I said before, and you start looking at those people and where they have gone, it's innumerable. And they were able to do that with the skill sets and the understanding that they received from here. And to me, it's pretty cool because it's one of those things where, you know. You can run into a graduate and it's kind of weird. You can run into graduates just about anywhere. I've found them all over and it's always kind of exciting when you do, and I keep in touch with a whole lot of them and it's kind of exciting to be able to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=2183.0,2736.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay, next question is, how do you feel the current state of the Graphic Design in 3D Animation programs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=2736.0,2746.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: I don't know. I think it's unfortunate what's happened to it since 2020. You know, 2020 with COVID and everything else, everything went so much online. You went from a faculty base... of anywhere from 9 to 12 faculty that interacted with the students on a daily basis here on campus to one full-time faculty in 3D and one full-time faculty in Graphic Design. And the rest of them are all adjunct and they're all online. And to me, as I said before, it doesn't mean that you don't have some community, but you don't have the community that you had and that was built up until that point. And the fact that you're doing that also means that nobody cares that that person is from OSUIT or they're from, you know, Toshimingo, Oklahoma, you know, whatever. It doesn't make any difference. They're not clued in. They're not OSUIT for that area has lost its ability to be something that people... proudly said that I'm a graduate of that program because I got this kind of instruction and all and now I basically go and get most of my instruction from hired guns and they don't have any they don't have any dog in the fight there's no there's no real uh and I say this strictly from some of the people I have talked with recently and more importantly I've talked to some of the employers and people that were on our advisory committees and talked to them and they have asked me what happened to the program. I don't, I'm not in it, I don't do it, I'm not involved in it, you know, to be able to give you a clear idea. I'm, I'm literally, I'm thinking, you know, about this the other day. I'm, I'm almost five years out that I left here and it's surprising how much has been lost in that five years. And maybe you guys can tell me when you no longer have a building, you don't have a place, you don't have any place that is where you're located. You've basically been shuffled three different places. You have a couple of rooms in IT and you got a couple of rooms in the in maybe the Noble Center now and you don't have a home. Then you don't have community and you don't have the relationships and you don't have the... the loyalty that people, and I will tell you, I have got, I didn't start here to 1984, okay? I started here in ‘84, in basically the fall of ‘84. And right as we were moving from, you know, going from doing everything by hand to the computer, I know graduates that graduated back in the ‘60s. And I know what they were doing then and I saw that evolution and that change happening in the ‘70s when I was here and then this huge change that happened in the mid ‘80s and into the ‘90s and I would venture to put this out there and I will even ask you to ask you could ask some of these other college instructors from other colleges who is your biggest competition for jobs for students for awards at shows for any of those things. Who is your biggest competition, especially during the late eighties, all through the nineties, all through the two thousands, and into the last 10 years? And they will tell you, OSUIT, we couldn't get by you guys. You always beat us to the punch as far as employment. You always beat us at these shows. We go to these things. We think, oh, we're gonna go to Wichita. They won't be there on Darn it. There they are. There they are again. We go to Dallas. Oh, they won't be in Dallas. Oh, dang it. There they are again. We go to, you know, that was what we were doing. We were competing against every four-year school and beating their pants off, but not just in those competitions that were college-oriented. We were beating their pants off in the employment area too, because our graduates were coming out with skills that those people weren't teaching them. and that saddens me today because I don't see that. And that's what I'm seeing. I'm being told by people that are still working day in day out in the industry, they're not seeing books from here. They're not seeing students from here. And when they do, they're not seeing what they expect or what they were used to. So I'm not encouraged by that. I'm sorry to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=2746.0,3036.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: OK, next question. What is your proudest accomplishment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=3036.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: You know, I've said it a couple of times. and I really truly mean it. You know, my biggest accomplishment, my proudest accomplishment here is the connection that I made with students and faculty and the people I worked with here on campus. That was my accomplishment. That's what I feel proudest about. I enjoyed that part of it. I enjoyed being in, you know, as far as accomplishing, you know, was being able to be at graduation and to be able to hand off, you know, just, you know, that people were leaving and going across the stage and they were going and they were gonna go out here and experience something that I felt passionate about. And I felt that there was a community here that supported that for most of the time that I was here. You know, as far as accomplishments, it's in the students. That's where the accomplishment is. I, you know, I'm always happiest, proudest, excited when I get an email or something on Messenger or a high sign on Facebook or whatever, and I get something from a graduate, that just brightens my day. And that means that somehow I impacted them that they're willing to take the time to reach out to me and say, hey, how are you doing? You know, those, that's, to me, that's the biggest part of having spent 35 years here. And that's the best part about it because, but the secondary part of that is that, is Mary left when? How far along ago? Yeah, did you see the reaction with her? She's somebody I still, I mean, she wasn't just somebody we worked with here on, she's a bud. She's somebody that you can pick right up with, and she's that my neighbor used to be over here. That's how you meet people, and then they're lifelong friends of yours, more than acquaintances. And that's an accomplishment in my books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=3040.0,3173.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay, final question. What were your biggest challenges?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=3173.0,3176.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: What Mark said, biggest challenge was... get some brochures, go put your degree or uniform on and go down to Walmart to try to find students. No, you know, the biggest challenges were just staying up. You know, with everything changing, and as everything changed, how did we stay up? How do you stay? How do you figure out how to afford the stuff that needed to be part of the program? Because, again, and this didn't just happen once, it happened the whole time I think I was here. What, how much can you do more for less? Because there's no money, no money, no money. So that always was a challenge to try to figure out how could we do what we needed to do, prepare students to be able to be in this industry and do it on a shoestring. That was always a challenge and it was probably one of the biggest ones because it was always something that got held over your head when you went to our Friday meetings. You know, are you making, you know, do you got enough students? Are you gonna be able to do, and where's their employment? And then you got your numbers and blah, blah. I mean, those challenges became, could become, I try not to let them to be, but they could become overly self-consumed. But the bottom line is it was a challenge. It was a challenge, you know. Students and parents and buildings and parking and roofs and whatever. I mean, those are always going to be challenges. I don't care. That's part of the thing you signed up for. That's part of it. But trying to stay on top of making that happen and to be able to do that and to be able to do it in hopefully good humor and be able to do it week after week and day after day and to then be able to see the results of it, that was a challenge. But you know, overall I didn't really mind it because if it was easy, everybody would do it and it wasn't. But you know, on the other hand, not everybody did it and they sure didn't do it the way we were doing it. And they sure weren't having the results that we were. The challenges were there. I'm not gonna get into, there certainly were challenges with personalities and some people and some things, but it's not worth it. I don't dwell on that and I just don't have the time or energy or maybe do I care anymore? Might have, if you'd asked me this in September of 2019, I might've had a different answer for you. But today, I really, that's what I saw as our biggest challenge. just trying to do the very best we could and do it at the most economical way we could on a regular basis and see exceptional results. That was the challenge. It was okay because that didn't hurt anybody and it didn't cause us to go out and go postal on somebody or anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=3176.0,3372.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clinton Girkin: Okay, any closing remarks before we move on to Mary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756#t=3372.0,3375.0"},{"id":"https://osuitlibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3305/collection_resources/149142/file/273756/transcript/80114/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"James McCullough: I just, I'll just say this, you know, OSUIT, and like I said, I went through several iterations of it, you know, it became several different names and all, and it was a good ride. I enjoyed it overall. Didn't like much of the way that it ended, but I'll be honest with you, it ended at a good time for me because I wouldn't have wanted to be here during all the stuff that happened with the pandemic and everything else, I wouldn't have wanted to try to teach or be a part of all of that, because I think that would have sent me over the edge. But you look back and you say, again, I've been blessed. I didn't come looking for a job here, but I got one. I wasn't looking for a career here, but I got one. I wasn't necessarily ever, ever. expecting to be the division chair or anybody in an administrative area. It happened. You know, I got to do a lot of things and meet a lot of people and be a part of a lot of adventures. And at the end of the day, I can't say I don't have any regrets, but overall I'm pretty happy with my time here. And hopefully, barring a few people, they thought it was okay for me to be here too. So... But that's it. That's it. That's me. 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